These bullets are custom made with a softer alloy that is ideal for the lower pressure and velocity of a proper Trapdoor load. While you should never shoot at something you can't see, a .45-70 is great for heavy bush area. The max distance would be 210 yards from blind to forest edge. border-style: solid; Interestingly, I'd found out years before that at least one big ammo company did not load higher than 21,000 in deference to the Model 1873 Springfield--the famous "Trapdoor" that so many .45-70 shooters still use. Soon, hunters had access to quality lever action and single shot rifles and repeaters such as the Remington Rolling Block, the Remington-Keene, the Sharps 1874 “Buffalo Rifle,” the Winchester-Hotchkiss, Winchester Model 1885 “High Wall,” and the Winchester Model 1886. padding: 10px 5px; border-color: black; A .45-70 is more than enough for any whitetail deer. January 28, 2020 at 7:46 am. border-color: #656565; Get a good hunting rifle, learn to shoot it well, use quality bullets, and you’ll be all set for most hunting situations. The official military designation of the new cartridge was the.45-70-405. Jump to Latest Follow This is illustrated in the table below comparing a two different .45-70 Govt loads to a pretty typical .30-06 load. .tg .th-lmno { I couldn’t tell a nickles difference between the 35 Rem and the 45/70 as far as their abilities to tip over whitetail deer at reasonable distance. I left out I’m shooting 325 gr Hornady. One .45-70 load approximates the performance of the original .45-70 Govt black powder loading of a 405 grain bullet (.307 BC) at 1350 feet per second while the other is a 325gr Hornady LEVERevolution factory load (.230 BC). In this case, we have assumed the average muzzle energy for a .45-70 Government round is approximately 2270 foot-pounds. Due to excellent the reputation it earned while in use with the Army, the .45-70 Govt also quickly became popular among sportsmen in the United States. I use “Cowboy” rounds mostly, but somehow got a box of modern smokeless ammo from Aguila. In this article, I’m going to do a detailed analysis of the .45-70 Government in an effort to cut through some of the myths and misunderstandings out there regarding the capabilities of the .45-70 Govt so you can make an informed decision regarding whether or not you should hunt with one. 1,280 FPS (24″) It's a great cartridge, ammo is getting scarce (most places will have ONE load, vs 5+ loads for .30-06), but it's a breeze to reload if you're so inclined. Finally, Buffalo Bore produces some of the hottest .45-70 loads available. .tg .tg-4q2i { The .45-70 Govt shoots heavier and larger diameter bullets than the .30-30 Winchester. Just like you’d expect with such a popular cartridge, Barnes produces .45-70 ammo featuring their legendary copper X-Bullet. At ranges inside 150 yards (where they’re both strongest), the .45-70 has a clear advantage of the .30-30. I've been using duplex smokeless/BP 45-70 loads for many years. David SgtE. text-align: center; } Get a Lyman manual, it has smokeless loads for 45-70 in all 3 types of rifles (trapdoor loads, lever gun loads, and Ruger#1 T-Rex loads). New to the 45-70 world. The accurate answer is “it depends”. Expect a power to recoil ratio that is right in the middle. Hence the name “.45-70”. Broke its neck and fell immediately! } Interestingly, I'd found out years before that at least one big ammo company did not load higher than 21,000 in deference to the Model 1873 Springfield--the famous "Trapdoor" that so many .45-70 shooters still use. Lots of people seem to use those without dismembering deer. I ended up shooting three whitetail with the 1895 Cowboy 45-70. The.45-70 was first introduced as the.45 Government for the army’s new Model 1873 rifles and carbines. Jump to Latest Follow In addition to use on North American game, the .45-70 Govt can also be a very effective cartridge for an African Safari. First, the average bullet weight is encapsulated in the average muzzle energy for the .45-70 Government. Fortunately, there are still some good options out there that are plenty safe to use in those older rifles. I’m sure that will do a number on a grizzly bear, but you’re just asking for trouble with that load on a Cape Buffalo or elephant. H&R Centerfire Rifles. Stick to the loads for the lever guns. One .45-70 load approximates the performance of the original .45-70 Govt black powder loading of a 405 grain bullet (.307 BC) at 1350 feet per second while the other is a 325gr Hornady LEVERevolution factory load (.230 BC). The Lyman 50th Edition (p352-360) and Hornady 10th Edition (p754-761) reloading manuals were used as references for this article. Thread starter kellerdairyhunter; Start date Dec 26, 2018; Dec 26, 2018 #1 K. kellerdairyhunter New member. A 22LR cartridge can fell a bull elephant under the right conditions, and a newborn squirrel can survive a 50 BMG round under other specific conditions. Would prefer accuracy over speed. That advantage in energy does narrow as the range increases, but neither cartridge is really ideally suited for longer ranged shooting. Why is everyone looking at slower rounds? This is something the ammunition companies have to keep in mind when loading up “run of the mill” .45-70 factory ammo. I have shots tens of thousands of these loads through Trapdoors, 1886's, '95 Marlins, old Sharps rifles (the one pictured in my avatar) and anything else I could find that was chambered for the 45-70. We do not recommend these in our rifles." Though modern loadings using smokeless powder have certainly improved the performance of the cartridge, the ballistics of the .45-70 on paper simply can’t compete with many newer options like the .444 Marlin, the .450 Marlin, and the .458 Win Mag. The latter bullet has a sectional density of .364 with the former being .357. I have a Marlin 45-70 and believe me it works. There is a HUGE volume in that case for smokeless, so there is huge capacity for foolishness. It sounds like you’re shooting 325gr Hornady LeverRevolution loads for your .45-70? Going to use the 45-70 this year for deer in Ohio. Copyright © 2021 Big Game Hunting Adventures LLC | All Rights Reserved. If I were armed with a modern 45-70 with a good peep sight or a low powered scope, I would not hesitate to hunt any game in any environment on earth. border-color: #656565; I still want a stainless guide gun but I got sticker shock! Advanced Search Cancel Login / Join. Taking whitetail with 45 … Disclaimer: the information above is purely for illustrative purposes and should not be taken as permission to use a particular caliber, a statement of the legality or safety of using certain calibers, or legal advice in any way. Jerry Burden As with anything, As with anything, In addition to the many variations of the Trapdoor Springfield the Army used, several early Gatling Gun models fired the .45-70 Government cartridge. The .45-70 Springfield is a long, fat case, which limits loading happiness in a short barrel. That is not difficult for the 45-70 at all. THR is unbeatable, but it seems like almost every member over there owns a Marlin 45-70, and have each taken many deer with them. This table illustrates just how important precise range estimation and applying the proper hold over become at ranges past about 200 yards with the .45-70. Knowing the limitations will keep you safe and plenty of meat in the freezer. Good stuff here. Typical 45-70 ballistics with modern factory ammo are a 300gr bullet at 2,350fps (3,678 ft-lbs), a 325gr bullet at 2,050fps (3,032 ft-lbs), and a 405gr bullet at 1,330fps (1,591 ft-lbs). Expect a power to recoil ratio that is right in the middle. Trimming cases to the same length placed an exact amount of crimp on the bullets. With all that in mind, there is no plains game animal that I would hesitate to use the cartridge on at ranges out to 100-150 yards. } Hülsen online entdecken große Auswahl TOP Preise Schneller Versand jetzt online bestellen! Never seen a broadside shot deer with much meat damage unless you go for the shoulders. color: #ffffff; font-weight: bold; What is the average muzzle energy for a .45-70 Government? Any recommendations for powder, loads or tricks for the 45-70? Do a web search and you'll find the article. Before we get started, I have an administrative note: Some of the links below are affiliate links. Is the .45-70 Government a viable caliber/load/round/cartridge for whitetail deer hunting? Even very large animals like the eland should present no problems as long as a heavy for caliber, controlled expansion bullet is used and placed appropriately. The .45-70 load also hits about 3” high at 100 yards, but drops nearly 28” at 300 yards with that same 200 yard zero. I think since I came from high speed bottleneck bullets to the slower big bore, I thought they might be too brutal. Forums. Well, designers at Hornady attempted to solve that problem with their “LEVERevolution”, line of ammunition for cartridges like the .30-30 Winchester, .35 Remington, and .45-70 Govt that are popular in lever guns. Guest. The idea of duplex smokeless/black loads was to reduce fouling from the black. This is our favorite 45/70 load for casual plinking. Not all 45-70 ammunition is safe to use in all .45-70 rifles though. My wife and I spotted this buck out at 250yrds during her first season whitetail hunting. Really hot loads like the Grizzly Hunter Xtreme are great for modern rifles, but they aren’t safe for use in older .45-70 rifles like the Trapdoor Springfield. Taking whitetail with 45-70. To answer the question completely, we would need to evaluate the downrange distance to the whitetail deer, the bullet type, the grain weight of the bullet, the physical condition of the firearm, the size of the whitetail deer in question, the shot placement, the local wind conditions, the expected accuracy of the shooter, the ethics of the ideal maximum number of shots – the list goes on. Using modern, high pressure ammunition in one of those older rifles can be very dangerous. A reasonably well placed shot is potent enough to use a single shot, and gives me time to eject and load another if needed, which has been so far never. The Sierra 300 gr HP with their suggested accuracy load of 49.9 grs IMR-4198 will get you 2100 fps and it will SMACK a deer. I personally use 405 grain had loads and never had any issues dropping Russian boar, Bears, Elk under 100 yards. A 500 grain would be too long, and would probably jam your elevator. Even though he managed to stand up again he just fell over with nothing left to fight with. Get a Lyman manual, it has smokeless loads for 45-70 in all 3 types of rifles (trapdoor loads, lever gun loads, and Ruger#1 T-Rex loads). .tg .tg-sklq { For these reasons, the .45-70 is an ideal cartridge for hunting deer, black bear, feral hogs, moose, brown bear, and other big game in thick woods or heavy cover where short range shots (>100 yards) are common. Learned a lot today. 2 Nitro Express Jeffery.505 Gibbs.577 und .600 Nitro Express; 20mm x 102mm; Kaliber 12; Kurzwaffenkaliber.357 Magnum.45 Auto Teil 1.45 Auto Teil 2.454 Casull.45-70 Government Kurzwaffe; Jagdgeschosse. The BFR is chambered in 450 Marlin or was and it will take Marlin 45/70 loads. Since it was her first time, I hadn't even brought my own rifle along and she had only practiced to 200yrds with her rifle, so I had to borrow her Marlin 1895 Guide Gun in 45-70, loaded with Hornady LEVERevolution 325 grn FTX's. For anything further out I Bring the .300 win mag or .375 h&h. This single shot, solidly constructed deer harvesting machine is up to the task of putting venison on the table, with consistency, to the 200-yard line and beyond. It depends on the bullet. border-style: solid; A 525 grain Beartooth Piledriver started off at around 1,600fps or a little higher will do the trick on anything, if your placement is good. Hog quarteringin my direction at about 40 yds and she looked like she was hit by a freight train. In this case, the average weight of an adult male whitetail deer is approximately 210 lbs. Guest. 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